Article 6217 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh5!not-for-mail From: Tim Shoppa Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: PDP-10 Software Archive now on-line Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:43:02 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Lines: 30 Message-ID: <385FA006.1638FD00@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: timaxp.trailing-edge.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ffx2nh5.news.uu.net 945808984 16921 63.73.218.130 (21 Dec 1999 20:43:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh5.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 1999 20:43:04 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6217 alt.folklore.computers:147010 I'm pleased to announce that I've finally organized the PDP-10 related material in my posession and put it on-line. At http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ you will find several hundred megabytes of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 tape images (largely from Megan Gentry's efforts at rescuing several KS10's in Cambridge earlier this year), individual files extracted from those tapes, and several hundred megabytes of DECUS TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 freeware. You will also find, interspersed among the contents of that page, numerous plugs for me and my capabilities to archive digital media for the future, and my absolute dedication to exact tape images. The TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 material is provided to aid those folks who have accepted the terms of the 36-bit Hobbyist license in fulfilling their responsibilities as outlined in section 3.1 of that agreement. Please see the full text of the license at the above URL. I'm open to comments, suggestions, criticism, etc., on the layout of the archives and how they are presented over the web. Fire away! And if anyone has any material to add to the archives, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to preserve this software. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Article 6219 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh5!not-for-mail From: Tim Shoppa Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus Subject: PDP-10 Freeware Archive now has correct date stamps listed Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:01:47 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38637CCB.30D7DC9C@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: timaxp.trailing-edge.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ffx2nh5.news.uu.net 946062108 21440 63.73.218.130 (24 Dec 1999 19:01:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh5.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Dec 1999 19:01:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6219 alt.folklore.computers:147250 comp.sys.dec:56446 comp.org.decus:5827 It only took a little bit of effort (notably abandoning the Unix date/time stamp, which doesn't go before 1-Jan-1970 UTC, and switching to a system without so much lossage) to get the date stamps on the PDP-10 freeware archive entries at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ to be correct. Now, if you go and look at a directory in the TOPS-10 or TOPS-20 categories, you will see the original date/time stamps as on the DECUS library tapes. Take a look at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/www/lib10/0003/ for an example. Thanks to a couple of old-timers who persuaded me that I really shouldn't list the creation dates on these files as being 1999, when this can be off by over thirty years :-) Enjoy! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Article 7011 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CF5F9C.6D375362@trailing-edge.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:02:04 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-10 SYSTEM.EXE needed, any version References: <8am8af$8nl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38cedf7c$0$202@nntp1.ba.best.com> <8amtto$p20$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 953132525 9314 63.73.218.130 Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:7011 Ric Werme wrote: > > hsnewman@my-deja.com writes: > > >In article <38cedf7c$0$202@nntp1.ba.best.com>, > >inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote: > >> In article <8am8af$8nl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > >wrote: > >> >I am looking for a copy of the SYSTEM.EXE file from any version of > >the > >> >TOPS-10 operating system. If you have one, I would really appreciate > >> >your posting it, so I can bring TOPS-10 up on the internet. > >> > >> What are you going to be running it on? > >> Do you have an actual PDP-10 that you will be connecting to the > >Internet? > >> Do you have a PDP-10 emulator? (KL or KS? Which author?) > > >I have a PDP-10 simulator/emulator. The author is unimportant. > > Perhaps the author is unimportant to you or your goals, but I suspect > that over 90% of the subscribers to this newsgroup are interested in the > technical details. It seems odd you want to "bring TOPS-10 up on the > Internet" without sharing the technical details. Actually, it'd be entirely consistent with the history of PDP-10 emulators. I know of at least 4 fairly complete PDP-10 emulators, one of which really boots and runs TOPS-20, yet the authors of these emulators have yet to discuss technical details or release the code. There is another emulator under development, and its author has offered to let me into an "exclusive club" of inner knowledge about development, but only on the condition that I not discuss the details with the world at large. I refused membership in that "club" because I don't like that attitude, though I really do give my best wishes to the developer and attempt to help him out whenever I'm asked questions by him. Similarly, I know of several sets of TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 distribution tapes sitting in a basement or a storage space, in probably rather poor environmental conditions, just rotting away because the current owners don't want to share them. It's a shame that this "my-my-me-me-mine" attitude exists, but what's a guy to do about it? The emulator authors are entitled to do whatever they want with their own code, and the owners of a tape can just let it sit there and rot away, and we can't force them to share if they don't want to. I've tried to change this attitude with the establishment of an archive - http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ - for distribution of tape and disk images for emulator development (under the conditions of the DEC 36-bit hobbyist license) but so far there have been exactly two contributors. Not to belittle the contributions of those two kind folks - we all owe our thanks to the distribution tapes they've donated - but I was kind-of hoping there'd be a more sharing attitude among the folks who posess the materials. Tim. Article 7025 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader3.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38CFFA2A.6FBA3DB0@trailing-edge.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:01:30 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: TOPS-10 SYSTEM.EXE needed, any version References: <8am8af$8nl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38CF5F9C.6D375362@trailing-edge.com> <8ao9i8$31o$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <38CF8B07.3BC28CF3@trailing-edge.com> <38cff5cb_2@news.wizvax.net> <8ap3gj$cs3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader3.news.uu.net 953172091 9506 63.73.218.130 Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:7025 alt.folklore.computers:152968 hsnewman@my-deja.com wrote: > > Sorry to be a bother, but would it be possible for us to stay on the > origional thread here? Sorry, I felt like whining this morning :-). > This discussion was about the obtaining of a > TOPS-10 SYSTEM.EXE, any version. Does anyone have a copy for me? I *think* that the fourth file on the tape image in http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/www/pdp-10/TOPS10_KS_BOOTABLE_BB-X138C-BB_704.ZIP is what you want. This is a 10BACKUP saveset containing SYSTEM.EXE: Start of Save Set: Volume 1 written by System: RL375A DEC10 Development Written on: MTB0 at: 10-OCT-1988 12:53 using: 1600 BPI SYSTEM .EXE 1236 7-OCT-1988 14:58 End of Save Set: Volume 1 written by System: RL375A DEC10 Development Written on: MTB0 at: 10-OCT-1988 12:53 using: 1600 BPI You can access the individual files in this (and the other) saveset by going to http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/www/pdp-10/TOPS10_KS_BOOTABLE_BB-X138C-BB_704.html Does this help any? The first part of this tape is actually supposedly bootable on a real KS, so you should just be able to mount the tape image under your emulator and be on your way. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Article 8824 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader0.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <392DA76F.1BF79453@trailing-edge.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:21:36 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: New in the PDP-10 archives - KL bootable TOPS-10 7.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader0.news.uu.net 959307696 23939 63.73.218.130 Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:8824 A new addition to the PDP-10 archives is a KL Bootable TOPS-10 tape, V7.03. It's BB-X139B-BB, in the new "KL10 specific tapes" section at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ Enjoy! Article 2845 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!feed.newsreader.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail From: shoppa@mudd.trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: PDP-10 archives down for maintenance Date: 25 Dec 2000 14:40:54 -0500 Organization: Trailing-Edge Sender: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Message-ID: <9287s6$neo$1@mudd.trailing-edge.com> Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.151 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 977769379 15557 shoppa@63.73.218.151 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:2845 The PDP-10 archives at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ are down for maintenance. They are being migrated to a new disk, where the numerous software donations received in the past months can be fully unpacked and made available for browsing over the web. Some stats: the "new" archives will have over 90 tape images, roughly 1500 Megabytes in total. All tapes will have unpacked individual files whenever it is possible. And I'm adding a makefile type utility that will allow easier archives maintenance and eventually allow for web-based indices and search queries to access the unpacked contents. Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) Article 2993 of alt.sys.pdp10: Message-ID: <3A50FD97.F45E6EF4@ev1.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:58:47 -0800 From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Newly indexed PDP-10 software archives up for criticism :-) References: <3A4FC18C.2716C740@trailing-edge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: taydal-207-55-144-52.ev1.net X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 978379349 taydal-207-55-144-52.ev1.net (1 Jan 2001 14:02:29 -0600) Lines: 27 Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.twtelecom.net!newsa.ev1.net Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:2993 alt.folklore.computers:13865 Tim Shoppa wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] > > Many thanks to Al Kossow, Eric Smith, Johnny Billquist, and > a few other anonymous donors for the new material in the archive. > Again, my apologies for taking so long in updating the archive > with the material you've supplied: I hope to be much more prompt > in the future. > Congradulations, Tim!!! Thanks a heap for doing a job that DEC should have done themselves over 20 years ago...archiving the software for the older DEC machines. This archive is a great resource, even for people who are *not* interested in the older DEC machines. The archive gives insight into how programs were written then, and what the editors and tools were like. When I can get a DEC-10 emulator that will run on my Mac, I want to run TOPS-10 and play some serious Adventure on it!!! Hey, if we were *paying* you to create the archive, you could appologize for being slow...as it is, everyone interested in this software owes you a *huge* thank you!!! -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ Article 2994 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.207.0.27!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Timothy Stark Subject: Re: Newly indexed PDP-10 software archives up for criticism :-) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers References: <3A4FC18C.2716C740@trailing-edge.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686)) Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:14:15 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-93mMm95MpIuzawlCI53mCH4vhs2+1/WtjzWwoujfWPUM+Ug+ifSRcHmbhMFn9DXnKITQoZZ1Udi1n/Q!YTYTUPPDwFC8Y+LGLX+RBPguGCM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:14:17 GMT Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:2994 alt.folklore.computers:13879 In alt.sys.pdp10 Tim Shoppa wrote: > Many thanks to Al Kossow, Eric Smith, Johnny Billquist, and > a few other anonymous donors for the new material in the archive. > Again, my apologies for taking so long in updating the archive > with the material you've supplied: I hope to be much more prompt Tim, Well Done!!! Congraulations!! I already am downloading files in progress. Now I have complete TOPS-20 v7.0 includes complete sources. Ok, I returned from my Christmas vacation and will resume my TS-10 emulator development soon. I will work on KLAD to test my all instructions before I release it to public and continue to extend my emulator to KL10 implementation for TOPS-20 v7.0. -- Tim Stark -- Timothy Stark <>< Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible) Article 4324 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader0.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACEDE16.7AF36CCC@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:29:58 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Twenty new tapes in the PDP-10 archives Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7693AB15223E6E2A78A1E41B" Lines: 94 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader0.news.uu.net 986650199 19064 63.73.218.130 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:4324 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7693AB15223E6E2A78A1E41B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to a significant donation of materials by Bob Supnik, there are 20 new tapes in the PDP-10 archives containing KS and KL microcode sources, TOPS-10 7.04 material, TOPS-10 layered products, and TOPS-20 4.1 tapes. As always, both the extracted readable files and the tape images (both as .TPC and .tap archives) are available from http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ The tape titles follow below. Enjoy! Tim. --------------7693AB15223E6E2A78A1E41B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="new.tapes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="new.tapes" RMS-10 1A April 1988 APLSF V2 (435) September 1979 BASIC-10 V17F 18-May-1981 BLISS-36 V4.2 (236) 16-Oct-1989 COBOL-74 V12C Octoober 1985 DBMS V5A 30-Jan-1980 Fortran-10 Version 11 Field-Test Tape 3 January 1987 IQL3A V30 21-Feb-1980 KL10 Microcode Sources V2A(442) 29-May-1986 Documentation for KL Microcode V326 15-Dec-1983 TOPS-10 KS Microcode Sources V130 7-Feb-1986 Message System V11CK 23-Jun-1986 TOPS-10 SORT V4D 18-Aug-1989 TOPS-10 V7.04 Auxilluary Tape for TOPS-10 V7.04 Load 361 12-Jul-1988 Documentation Update Files for TOPS-10 V7.04 DOCA 16-May-1990 Documentation Update Files for TOPS-10 V7.04 DOCB 2-Aug-1990 Documentation Update Files for TOPS-10 V7.04 DOCC 30-Nov-1990 TOPS-10 7.04 MPE 10-OCT-1988 T20 V4.1 EXEC SRC ATPCH 20 T20 V4.1 MONITOR SRC ATPCH 20 --------------7693AB15223E6E2A78A1E41B-- Article 4326 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader0.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3ACEE62C.785089B8@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:04:28 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Twenty new tapes in the PDP-10 archives References: <3ACEDE16.7AF36CCC@trailing-edge.com> <3ACF1756.8D5B23C5@bartek.dontspamme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader0.news.uu.net 986652268 19064 63.73.218.130 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:4326 Arthur Krewat wrote: > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > > Thanks to a significant donation of materials by Bob Supnik > > > Way to go Bob! > > I was wondering when someone would find BASIC-10 somewhere... > just for nostalgic reasons... Also of very significant note to folks trying to get TOPS-10 7.04 going are the following documents on the TOPS-10 7.04 DOC* tapes, equivalent to several thousand pages of paper documentation: TOPS-10 Operating Systems Command Manual http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/CMND.MEM TOPS-10 Crash Analysis Guide http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/CAG.MEM TOPS-10 Monitor Calls Manual Volume 1 http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/MCV1.MEM TOPS-10 Monitor Calls Manual Volume 2 http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/MCV2.MEM TOPS-10 Monitor Tables Description http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/MONTAB.MEM TOPS-10 Operator's Command Reference Manual http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/OCLRM.MEM TOPS-10 Operator's Guide http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/OPGD.MEM TOPS-10 Software Installation Guide http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/SIG.MEM TOPS-10 Stopcodes Specification http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/STOPCD.MEM TOPS-10 User Utilities Manual http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/pdp-10/TOPS10V704_DOCC/UTIL.MEM Tim. Article 4328 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.tiac.net!posterchild2.tiac.net!news@tiac.net From: bsupnik@us.inter.net (Bob Supnik) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Twenty new tapes in the PDP-10 archives Date: 7 Apr 2001 14:37:55 GMT Organization: rarely Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9an8o3$431@news-central.tiac.net> References: <3ACEDE16.7AF36CCC@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip20.bedford8.ma.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:4328 Thanks for the credit, Tim, but in fact these tapes were transcribed and provided by Tim Litt from DEC/Compaq. Tim's been critical in many areas, including creating the original T10/T20 hobbyist license, and providing technical documentation of simh/10. /Bob In article <3ACEDE16.7AF36CCC@trailing-edge.com>, shoppa@trailing-edge.com says... > >Thanks to a significant donation of materials by Bob Supnik... Article 4339 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!haxrus.apple.com!user From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: KA10 and KI10 proc maint manual scans Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 12:43:42 -0700 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: haxrus.apple.com X-Trace: news.apple.com 986672621 15763 17.205.21.66 (7 Apr 2001 19:43:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.apple.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Apr 2001 19:43:41 GMT Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:4339 Thanks to Carl Friend, I have the KA and KI processor maintanance manuals pdf-ed at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp10 I hope to have the KA and KI processor print sets soon, also. -- eBay: Death by a thousand cuts. Article 4433 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AD625B7.207FEC1A@trailing-edge.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:01:27 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Seven more tapes in the archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 987127287 12763 63.73.218.130 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:4433 There are seven more tapes in the archives. 4 of them seem to form a tape backup of a KLAD "build" kit, and have detailed instructions (and presumably all the tools) needed to build such a pack: KLAD20-AC-7.0-A KLAD20-AC-7.0-A KLAD20-AC-7.0-A FRONT-END-SYSTEM COPY 12-DEC-1988 KLAD20-AC-7.0-A SYSTEM-COPY Tape 1 of 3 12-DEC-1988 KLAD20-AC-7.0-A SYSTEM-COPY Tape 2 of 3 12-DEC-1988 KLAD20-AC-7.0-A SYSTEM-COPY Tape 3 of 3 12-DEC-1988 The remaining three tapes are, from their names, diagnostics of some kind, but I haven't yet figured out what sort of file structure (if any) exists on them: DDXLAK0 RED405A RED405A2 I'm guessing that the last two tapes have something to do with the much-mentioned but not yet materialized "Red Packs". If anyone figures out exactly what's on these last 3 tapes, I'd appreciate a pointer to the tool(s) used to decode them. As always, the good stuff is at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ In particular, these new tapes are (for now) all lumped together under the "KLAD" section. Tim. Article 5743 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B644678.5CA8D044@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:23:04 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.sys.pdp11,vmsnet.pdp-11 Subject: DECUS/Freeware PDP-10,-11 CD images available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 996441784 880 63.73.218.130 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:5743 alt.sys.pdp11:2444 vmsnet.pdp-11:2882 A few new directories have been added to ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/ In particular, four block-by-block "iso images" of the Freeware CD's are now available over the net. See ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/ Note that not all of them are purely ISO-9660 images - in particular, the RT-11 volume has 7 RT-11 partitions at the end, and there is also an ODS-1 volume of RSX-11 freeware available. Whatever you want to call them, these can be burned directly to a CD-R if you're too impatient to fill out the free CD request form at http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/freeware.html and wait for me to burn you a set in my copious free time. (Actually I'm doing a pretty good job working away at the backlog of requests, with 150 CD's distributed to 12 countries last week.) When you do burn images, be sure to use whatever your software calls "ISO Image" mode to do the writing. I use the freeware "cdrecord" software under Linux and OpenVMS, and here the command line to do a 8x burn (to my CD-Writer at SCSI unit 4) looks like cdrecord dev=0,4,0 speed=8 rt11freewarev2.iso There are also three new FTP directories which are loopback mounts into the ISO-9660 CD images: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rt11freewarev2 ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsx11freewarev2 ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/pdp10freewarev2 Most all of the stuff had previously been available over the web via http, but I've slowly been convinced that wu-ftpd now has had most of its seriously bad bugs pounded out of it by now. Enjoy! Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) Article: 15317 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C4A7DF8.2AEC4BD7@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:21:12 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: PDP-10 Archive migration plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 76 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1011532885 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 29227 63.73.218.130 Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:15317 alt.folklore.computers:79140 As announced over a month ago, I am migrating the PDP-10 archive http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ from the large, heavy, power-hungry VMSCluster to a small, lightweight, and efficient linux PC. Ignore the relation to the VMS vs Unix vs PDP-10 thread that has been taking up so much space in this newsgroup. The main reason for this migration is nothing more than power efficiency - I can keep a little PC (drawing less than 50 Watts) up for hours on a cheap UPS, while keeping the older cluster up for more than a few minutes on a big UPS is a hassle. Not only will the webserver and files reside on a different machine, but there will also be a number of other changes: 1. No longer will *.TPC (DECUS TPC-style, blocks are preceded by 16- bit block length) tape archives be listed. The archive of tape images will be offered solely as as *.tap (emulator-style, blocks are preceded *and* followed by their 32-bit block length) images. Internally I will continue to use *.TPC tape archives for some purposes. But my impression is that the emulator community is much better served by the *.tap style images. If anyone disagrees with me, speak up! 2. The compression method for tape images will change as well: Instead of gzipped (*.tap.gz), they will now be compressed with bzip2 and filenames will be of the form *.tap.bz2. Bzip2 offers significantly better compression (10-20%) on these images, and it adds up when there are many thousands of megabytes of them. More bzip2 informattion is available at http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/ 3. The extracted files will now be prepared using the "backup10" and "read20" programs, which I have been patching up over the past month to the point that I am very happy with their capabilities. My patched versions of these very useful tools will be made available shortly. 4. The web pages that index into the archives will be more CSS (style-sheet) oriented and less table-oriented. I aim to make the resulting pages easily viewed on both graphical *and* text-based browsers. At the same time, I will also be making use of server-side includes to make web site maintenance easier for me. (Read that as: if you point out an error on the home page, I hope to be able to fix it more quickly than the couple of months it now takes me to get around to it!) 5. A site search engine will allow searching of the extracted files quickly and efficiently. 6. An index of scanned and line-printer documents will eventually happen. Many of the above elements can be seen already at the "test site", http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ but not all the above elements have yet been combined (for example, as of Sunday morning the test site still uses tables extensively.) The actual switchover will occur early in the morning of 21-Jan-2002 EST. The old archive will remain up and going even after the switchover at http://old-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ for at least a few weeks, as I perfect the redirects and rewrites of URL's. Besides, if I shut the old cluster down at this time of year the basement would get too chilly :-). Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com)