Article 2331 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.best.com!news1.best.com!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Steven M. Jones" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: KS10 vs. KS-2020, and plea for KS10 and KL10 prints Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 11:44:48 -0500 Organization: CRASH!! Computing Manhattan, New York, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <32A30780.3F54BC7E@crash.com> References: <329EB4CF.41C67EA6@crash.com> <57tmkc$8mv@shellx.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.226.20.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; U; NetBSD 1.2 i386) To: Eric Smith Eric Smith wrote: > > As of a few months ago, Digital still had an SPD on their FTP server for > KS10 diagnostics. I haven't verified that it is still there. The SPD for the "DECSYSTEM-2020 Diagnostic Set, Version 1.0" is still available online at http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/DECinfo/SPD/22-20-02.txt. But I found something vastly amusing when I was poking around the Digital Assisted Services catalog: ZH008-CM KL10E(1091,2040/50/60 DIAGKIT $15,000.00 Y Z B ZH008-DZ KL10E(1091,2040/50/60 LICENSE $1,500.00 Y Z B ZH009-CM KL10A/B/D 1080/90 MAINT DIAG $15,000.00 Y Z B ZH009-DZ KL10A/B/D 1080/90 DIAG LIC $1,500.00 Y Z B ZT001-CM KS10 MAINT DIAG 9TR 1600 BPI $15,000.00 Y Z B ZT001-DZ KS10 MAINT DIAG LIC ONLY $1,500.00 Y Z B ZC200-CM VAX 11725/730 DIAG KIT MT/TU $5,250.00 Y Z B ZK200-CH VENUS 8600/8650 COMPLETE DIAG $18,000.00 Y Z B QX-K34AA-AA VAX 6XXX-2XX MAINT DIAG S/U/L $5,200.00 Y Z B I include the VAX systems for reference. You can view these listings directly by calling up http://www.digital.com/info/DAS-Catalog/ and selecting "Table of Contents," then "Diagnostics for ..." And of course, don't forget that you shouldn't be running the diags without first purchasing a Single Use License for your individual CPU. --Steve. Steve Jones smj@crash.com Manhattan, New York CRASH!! Computing http://www.crash.com/people/smj/ Cambridge, Mass. "Your information doesn't sleep. Why should your programmers?" Article 2690 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: skywriter@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Need for KS10 diagnostics Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:35:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <91o9q3$96a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3A3A338C.8DE7FFA5@bartek.net> <91fpoi$li9$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3A3B94DE.4FE198AA@bartek.net> <91ill4$r7g$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3A3CF00E.46D6A935@bartek.net> <91nhg4$dgb$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.159.18.157 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 19 18:35:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x72.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 168.159.18.157 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDskywriter Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:2690 In article <91nhg4$dgb$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > No. Dianostics were not run as timesharing jobs. If > they were systems would not have had to be brought down > for maintenance. regarding KL10 diags: I'm pretty sure I remember running DIAMON from TOPS-20. You could run some of the 10-based 10 diags then. However, I don't quite rememebr why I was doing it at the time. Maybe running DFRHB or DDRPI. Obviously 11 based 10 diags are not going to run :-). I wonder if the module callout will be anymore accurate in an emulator, than on the real hardware :) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Article 2850 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!inwap From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: Need for KS10 diagnostics Date: 27 Dec 2000 11:26:23 GMT Organization: Chez Inwap Lines: 44 Message-ID: <92cjkv$e74$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> References: <3A3A338C.8DE7FFA5@bartek.net> <3A3B94DE.4FE198AA@bartek.net> <91ill4$r7g$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3A3CF00E.46D6A935@bartek.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell3.ba.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 977916383 14564 206.184.139.134 (27 Dec 2000 11:26:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@best.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2000 11:26:23 GMT Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:2850 In article <3A3CF00E.46D6A935@bartek.net>, Arthur Krewat wrote: >> Which boot code? Not the microcode. Diags had to run on >> a cold machine. Or else field service would have had >> to do it the hard way and use scopes. Diags were also >> a maintenance tool for field service. > >Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if the diags are on a TOPS-20 >formatted disk pack, than don't you need some portion of >TOPS-20 to read the diags into core? You're forgetting that SYS:MONITR.EXE is a file that is stored on a TOPS-20 fomatted disk pack, and absolutely no portion of TOPS-20 is running when MONITOR.EXE is read into core. The bootstrap routines understand how to locate a file on a TOPS-20 disk pack when TOPS-20 is not running. Standalone diagnostics diagnostics can be loaded in several ways: *) Off of mag tape (one at at time, no directory). *) Off of the boot sectors of a disk pack (TOPS-10, TOPS-20, it makes no difference at this stage as long as the HOM block is OK). *) By a diagnostic loader program, which understands TOPS-10 and/or TOPS-20 directory structures. >Even if (like MS-DOS <=5.x) you have the diags in the beginning of the pack, >and there is the tiniest piece of code to read them into memory, isn't it >relying on a TOPS-20 filesystem to be there? No part of TOPS-20 is needed to load the first program, and that program is capable of having its own smarts to determine how the disk is formatted. The individual diag routines require that DDT and some other routines be already loaded in to specific portions of physical memory. >Yes, you could copy those .SAV's to something and run them >from there, but what would you run them with? Certainly not >under fully-booted TOPS-10 or TOPS-20... You run them under the standalone program loader, which is neither TOPS-10 nor TOPS-20. KLDCP is an operating system unto itself. -Joe -- See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages.