Article 4935 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d14 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: How in Hell did the Great Unix to NT Migration begin?? Date: Sun, 02 May 99 09:01:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7ghaeq$hnv$1@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <371be3e4.0@newsfeed.one.net> <7gc02r$go9@weyl.math.psu.edu> <7gcoig$63f$1@shell3.ba.best.com> <7gditv$il6@weyl.math.psu.edu> <7ggsba$8ta$1@shell3.ba.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d14.dial-17.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 2 May 1999 10:46:50 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news3.best.com alt.folklore.computers:129341 alt.sys.pdp10:4935 In article <7ggsba$8ta$1@shell3.ba.best.com>, inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote: >In article <7gditv$il6@weyl.math.psu.edu>, >Alexander Viro wrote: >>Another question: how did you work with subdirectories? BTW, is there such >>thing as list of UUOs with descriptions? In some accessible place, that is. > >Eventually they will be online on Eric Smith's site > http://www.36bit.org/dec/manual/ >but I do not know of any Monitor Calls Manual online at this time. Alas, that is one of the wars that I lost. As part of my "wrap it up and turn the lights out" plan for TOPS10, I wanted all the manuals that we had in bits put on a tape and shipped to our customers as a last hurrah. I do apologize although I did fight long and hard and have a number of scars. :-) /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article 5002 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!d6 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: How in Hell did the Great Unix to NT Migration begin?? Date: Tue, 04 May 99 10:54:02 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7gmpr5$9gl$2@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <371be3e4.0@newsfeed.one.net> <7gh5mj$kb3@weyl.math.psu.edu> <7gilg8$pvp$1@shell3.ba.best.com> <7gjhrh$lrk@weyl.math.psu.edu> <7gmjn5$lo2$1@shell3.ba.best.com> <7gmko2$aq5$3@antiochus.ultra.net> <7gmn0p$sqs@nnrp3.farm.idt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-12.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 May 1999 12:40:05 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:5002 In article <7gmn0p$sqs@nnrp3.farm.idt.net>, "Chris Ward" wrote: > >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote in message <7gmko2$aq5$3@antiochus.ultra.net>... >>In article <7gmjn5$lo2$1@shell3.ba.best.com>, >> inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote: >>>In article <7gjhrh$lrk@weyl.math.psu.edu>, >>>Alexander Viro wrote: >>>>Possible failure mode: directory getting full before CLOSE. How do you >>handle >>>>that? >>> >>>Directories don't get full. There was no limit to the >>>number of file names that could be stored in a directory. >> >>Well, there were practical limits. One couldn't have a disk full >>of one RIB...hmm...I wonder what would have happened if we had >>tried to fill the disk with just a RIB and then modified a file? >>To make the file organization extensible there was the notion of >>a RIB...and then there was the spare RIB. >> > > >You also had the normal disk quota. Say the cluster >size was 5, and you had >a 100 block quota. If you had a file, the space taken up be the size plus >two blocks, and then rounded up to 5 for allocation purposes. >So a 3 block >file would take up 5 blocks, and a 4 block file would take >up 10 blocks of >your quota. > >It was also a major reason why people liked to make .SAV files rather than >..EXE files when you had both on the system - .SAV files were smaller. > Yup. I had forgotten what constraints were required when there were a lot of users with limited resources. We didn't usually have that. We were spoiled in the resource department once we got the resource. If I allowed access to our -10 to someone, they could just about have the quotas set to infinity unless they stopped honoring the gentleman's timesharing agreement. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article 5024 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news1.best.com!144.212.100.101.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!d3 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: How in Hell did the Great Unix to NT Migration begin?? Date: Wed, 05 May 99 09:25:37 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7gp91m$5rc$2@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <372d88f7$0$490@news.zetnet.co.uk> <7gkgdq$pj9$5@antiochus.ultra.net> <2IsX2.28538$tY1.18718@wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d3.dial-14.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 May 1999 11:11:50 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news3.best.com alt.folklore.computers:129554 alt.sys.pdp10:5024 In article , werme@werme.ne.mediaone.net (Ric Werme) wrote: >I do have the documentation and sample programs. I will get them on >the WWW, but not for a while. I had that package shipped on the Customer Supported Tape, Ric. Once Jim and I got that tape past the idiots who had to approve everything, I put everything I could on that tape that I thought would be useful to the customers and all the "old stuff" that noone seemed to be interested in anymore. That was one of our ways to skin the "we have to charge for everything!" cat that afflicted us beginning in the early 80s. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.