Article 8516 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news1.best.com!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!novia!uunet!ffx.uu.net!hype.plano.sterling.com!news.plano.sterling.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike Yankus" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: write rings Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:59:00 -0500 Organization: Sterling Software, Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8fbt81$jf8$1@reuters.plano.sterling.com> References: <8dafrq$h1b$1@news.metronet.com> <8ds8ar$9qo$7@bob.news.rcn.net> <8F287092AbatemandNOSPAMbuckco@199.45.45.11> <957344480.989579@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8f0ev0$b8q$1@polo.demon.co.uk> <39143CB9.A1C4BC00@prescienttech.com> <8f3kus$5gt$9@bob.news.rcn.net> <3917481B.C24A69DF@cfht.hawaii.edu> <8fbkub$6rd$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-504.itd.sterling.com X-Trace: reuters.plano.sterling.com 957970497 19944 10.1.27.104 (10 May 2000 14:54:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@reuters.plano.sterling.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 14:54:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:8516 alt.folklore.computers:156568 I dug around down in my basement to see if I still had any Fortran II decks for the 1620. Didn't find any but I did find a lot more Macro-11 source on cards for the PDP-11 than I remembered punching up. IIRC, the 1st PDP 11/45 I used had one VT05, DECwriter, and CR11 reader. There were a lot more 029s available than VT05s. We didn't have TECO and KED hadn't been released yet (1973). Using SLP as an interactive editor was not much fun. EDI was ok, but since the source was on cards anyway... The technique I used when editing card decks was 1. At my desk, with listing on one side and card deck on the other, mark changes on the card with felt tip pen. Cards to be added were sometimes written on scraps of paper and stuck in the deck. Cards to be changed were turned upside down. They stuck out from the notched corners of the rest of the deck. 2. Take the deck over the the keypunch. Small decks that could fit in one hand needed only a rubber band. Middle sized were put in the boxes that the blank cards came in - sometime shortened or else the back of the box stuffed with something to keep the cards from sliding around. Wadded up listings were common. Large decks had metal trays with sliders to hold the deck snug. The largest were a yard long. Some were drawers in a dedicated card storage piece of furniture. (Anyone save old catalogs which featured this kind of stuff?) Those large trays were a bother. They didn't fit on the keypunch's built in table. They hung over the edges and were prone to spilling. 3. Flip the deck open to the first card to be edited. Take it out and stick a pen or a blank card vertically in its spot. Stick the card in the reader station, feed a blank into the punch station, duplicate up to the point of correction, type correction, advance/backup the old card if necessary, duplicate the remainder of the old card onto the new. (I was/am a terrible typist. It was easier and less error prone for me to do it this way than to retype an entire card.) I rarely took printout to the keypunch. They were too big (11x15) to spread open (to 22x15) on the keypunch table. Pardon my rambling. You old farts already know all this and the PC generation probably doesn't give a darn. Its just that I had the urge to tell about "walking to school barefoot, in the snow, umpteen miles, uphill both ways." :-) Mike Article 8530 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: write rings Date: 11 May 2000 13:43:03 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8fedd7$he3$1@top.mitre.org> References: <8dafrq$h1b$1@news.metronet.com> <8ds8ar$9qo$7@bob.news.rcn.net> <8F287092AbatemandNOSPAMbuckco@199.45.45.11> <957344480.989579@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8f0ev0$b8q$1@polo.demon.co.uk> <39143CB9.A1C4BC00@prescienttech.com> <8f3kus$5gt$9@bob.news.rcn.net> <3917481B.C24A69DF@cfht.hawaii.edu> <8fbkub$6rd$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <8fbt81$jf8$1@reuters.plano.sterling.com> <3919D285.D355D761@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: top.mitre.org 958052583 17859 128.29.251.13 (11 May 2000 13:43:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2000 13:43:03 GMT X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:8530 alt.folklore.computers:156679 jchausler writes: >I always marked the listings and took them to the keypunch. >For me they would fit on the left side of the punch to the >left of the keyboard module flipped open and covering the >card stacker (026, 029). The card stacker seemed to be >able to stack cards even with the top portion of the paper >lying on it. For readers who never used a card punch and are wondering about the above comment about the card stacker: on keypunches the output stacker was on the left side of the machine, was at an angle of perhaps 45 (?) degrees from vertical, and the newly-punched cards were added to it from the bottom. Cards exiting the read station would be driven to the far left end of the card bed, then grasped by two clamps along the top edge. The clamps, mounted on a rotating shaft, would lift the card away from the bed, then pull it under the cards currently in the stacker and release it. The whole mechanism was something of a Rube Goldberg design, but it worked. (Usually...) Joe Morris