Article 1377 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: shellx.best.com!news1.best.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iii.net!iii2.iii.net!not-for-mail From: sam@iii2.iii.net (Sam Weiner) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: TOPS-20 Documentation Sets Date: 22 Nov 1995 23:06:18 -0500 Organization: What me? Lines: 43 Message-ID: <490rvq$8u3@iii2.iii.net> References: <48jdfo$oqu@doctor.Tymnet.COM> <1995Nov18.180511.22161@zippy.dct.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: iii2.iii.net In article <1995Nov18.180511.22161@zippy.dct.ac.uk> ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes: :In article <48jdfo$oqu@doctor.Tymnet.COM>, carl@doctor.Tymnet.COM (Carl A Baltrunas) writes: : [deleted -smw] :> Apparently (I'm told) that DEC no longer has any TOPS-20 materials :> and may have destroyed whatever stock they had in their warehouses. :> If anyone knows this to be true or untrue and can locate a set or :> two we would appreciate it greatly. : :I can perhaps believe that they no longer have hard copies but surely :the online sources must still exist somewhere. I'm fairly sure we :had a complete set of TOPS20 V5 Docs in lineprinter format from an :early ship field test to support an RP07 and TU78. Also several of :the manuals (including Monitor Calls) were available in INFO format :as of around TOPS20 4A. As I mentioned in mail to Carl, the last few updates to TOPS-10 7.04 and TOPS-20 7.0 included online manuals for newly updated volumes (basically, the core OS manuals since layered products were in bug fix only mode by then.) I've since found my list of the TOPS-20 manuals delivered with TSU 4: File name Manual title (as best I can recall) ---------- ----------------------------------- COMMANDS Commands Reference Manual DDT44C DDT JSYS_REF JSYS Reference Manual JSYS_USERS JSYS Users Guide MGR_GUIDE System Manager's Guide MODELB_INS Installation Guide for KL Model B Systems MONITOR_TABLES Monitor Tables OPRCOM OPR Commands OP_GUIDE Operator's Guide SIX12 SIX12 Manual (BLISS debugger) TSU TOPS Software Update Manual USERS User's Guide USER_UTILS Utilities Guide (I think) All with .MEM and in line printer format. I think VT100 formatted versions (filename_VT.MEM) made it onto the tape as well. Sam Article 1380 of alt.sys.pdp10: Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Path: shellx.best.com!news1.best.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!weiner From: weiner@world.std.com (Sam Weiner) Subject: Re: TOPS-20 Documentation Sets Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <48jdfo$oqu@doctor.Tymnet.COM> <48tlfm$9u8@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:43:19 GMT Lines: 36 In article <48tlfm$9u8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Tim Shoppa wrote: >In article <48jdfo$oqu@doctor.Tymnet.COM>, >Carl A Baltrunas wrote: >> >>Apparently (I'm told) that DEC no longer has any TOPS-20 materials >>and may have destroyed whatever stock they had in their warehouses. >>If anyone knows this to be true or untrue and can locate a set or >>two we would appreciate it greatly. > >That might be true, but the part numbers for the TOPS-20AN distribution >and media are still listed in the SPD (21.30.04) at gatekeeper.dec.com. >Sometimes, armed with the appropriate part number, you can convince >the folks at DECdirect to sell you something which all other branches >of the company insist doesn't exist. Of course, just because you >have a part number doesn't mean it exists, either! [There's a wonderful >story I was told about someone ordering a replacement caster for a >BA123 "world box"; a few months after the order was placed, it came >back, with a standard form saying "part number not available >individually; order next higher subassembly: BA123"!!!] > >If it helps any, here are the numbers listed in that SPD: > >PRODUCT NAME: TOPS-20AN, Version 5.1 SPD 21.30.04 [SPD text with lots of extra ^Ms deleted -smw] Ooops, another SPD that got through the purge. All 36 bit related SPDs were supposed to have been deleted by the end of 1993 when all corporate support ended. While knowing a specific part number and the magic phone number to call will sometimes get you a part that DECdirect doesn't know about, I doubt it would help here. Calling Publishing and Circulation Services (or whatever they are called these days) might. Sam Article 5464 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!il0502a-dhcp38.apple.com!user From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: complete DTE-20 manual Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:37:20 -0700 Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: il0502a-dhcp38.apple.com X-Trace: news.apple.com 993879440 29075 17.205.24.38 (30 Jun 2001 05:37:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.apple.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jun 2001 05:37:20 GMT Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:5464 http://www.spies.com/aek/pdf/dec/pdp10/ek-dte20-ud-003.pdf Article: 15323 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-232-156 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: Mon, 21 Jan 02 13:43:06 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 163 Message-ID: References: <9u0b4u$bb4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ud33k$p76$5@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ulats$a43$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <4otnu9.682.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <9unvmv$4ca$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <9uvtc5$5n3$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3C1355B4.2C7F6772@trailing-edge.com> <9v25i9$a73$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v56r7$dqd$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v5ajf$3vi$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaR1m03a4vOnXpdB6EaA+0j2TG1MSPEyBWrJCD9s8iM7O/lKRtVuTWP X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2002 15:53:12 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:15323 alt.folklore.computers:79236 Following is an itemized list of the little pieces I've found in my boxes. If there is any more info you need let me know here since I have no e-mail access yet (AOL disconnected their local phone number). /BAH [Beginning of list] (3) decsystem10 System Reference Card (Including the DECsystem-1070) 1974 Part #: DEC-10-XSRCA-B-D One in perfect condition One ruined by mouse nibbles but I finally found my truth table cheat sheet!! One marked up to reflect the KA instructions replaced by KASER. DECsystem-10 and DECSYSTEM-20 KL SYSTEM Reference Card 1981 Part #: EK-OKL10-RC-001 pdp11 Programming Card for Family of PDP-11 Computers July 1975 No part # (that I can see). Card must have belonged to a Henry Yang. Two BLISS pocket guides (this is not for BLISS-10) 1983 mentions BLISS Version 4 Part #: AV-AT45A-TK decsystem-10 COBOL Pocket Reference Version 6 COBOL No date Version 7 Libol Part #: DEC-10-OCRCA-A-D TOPS-20 COBOL Language Reference Card (Mouse ate a corner) March 1984 Part #: AV-N421A-TM (2) TOPS-10/TOPS-20 COBOL-74 Language Reference Card October 1981 Part #: AV-L854A-TK TOPS-10 Commands Quick Reference Guide October 1981 Part #: AV-K729A-TB TOPS-20 Commands Reference Card December 1982 Part #: AV-L704B-TM TOPS-20 Commands Reference Card September 1985 Part #: AV-FP79A-TM DBMS-20 DDL Programmers's Reference Card (fanfold card) 1981 Part #: AV-J879A-TM DBMS-20 DML Programmer's Reference Card (fanfold card) 1981 Part #: AV-H230A-TM DBMS-20 DDL Programmer's Reference Card (booklet) June 1984 Part #: AV-J879B-TM DBMS-20 DML Programmer's Reference Card (booklet) June 1984 Part #: AV-H230B-TM DBMS-20 Utilities Reference Manual (booklet) June 1984 Part #: AV-Z784A-TM TOPS-10/TOPS-20 DDT Reference Card April 1982 Part #: AV-M272A-TK TOPS-20 DIGITAL Standard Runoff Version 2.0 Pocket Reference Guide December 1982 Part #: AV-N390A-TM Ethernet Communications Server Terminal Server User's Reference Card 1984 Part #: AV-X021A-TK TOPS-20/TOPS-20 FORTRAN Reference Card (Mouse-nibbled) March 1983 Part #: AV-P529A-TK (2) TOPS-10/TOPS-20 FORTRAN Pocket Guide (One is mouse-nibbled) May 1985 Part #: AA-P529B-TK TOPS-10/TOPS-20 FORTRAN Pocket Guide (Mouse-nibbled) February 1987 Part #: AA-P529C-TK decsystem10 Monitor Calls Pocket Reference Guide (6.02 Monitor) 1976 Part #: DEC-10-OMCRB-C-D KL10 maintenance Handbook (may have belonged once to Phil Taylor) 1977 Part #: EK-KL10-HB-001 DIGITAL Networking Pocket Guide (mentions 10 operating systems) July 1983 Part #: AV-N956A-TK decsystem10 Operating System Commands Reference Card (6.01/5.07 Monitor) 1974 Part #: DEC-10-OTSMB-B-D TOPS-10/TOPS-20 OPR Commands Reference Card January 1983 Part #: AV-P380A-TK TOPS-20 PASCAL Reference Card September 1983 Part #: AV-L316A-TM RSX-11M Mini-Reference Version 4.0 (5x7-1/2" ring binder) 1982 Part #: AV-5570D-TC May have once been owned by Leapline (Steve?) TOPS-10 SOS Reference Card 1978 Part #: AV-D578A-TB (2) TOPS-10/TOPS-20 SPEAR Reference Card 1985 Part #: AV-M752B-TK TECO Pocket Reference List DECsystem-10 Computation Center The University of Texas at Austin May 1977 Part #: ???? (may be CCRL-7) TECO pocket guide (mentions 4 OSes) 1978 Part #: AV-D530A-TK May have once been owned by P. Taylor TOPS-20 TV Reference Card (Mouse-nibbled) December 1979 Part #: AV-J341A-TM TOPS-10/TOPS-20/VMS Operator's Reference Card September 1985 Part #: AV-DB38A-TK [end of list] Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article: 15500 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-23 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: Sat, 26 Jan 02 12:41:35 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <9u0b4u$bb4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ud33k$p76$5@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ulats$a43$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <4otnu9.682.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <9unvmv$4ca$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <9uvtc5$5n3$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3C1355B4.2C7F6772@trailing-edge.com> <9v25i9$a73$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v56r7$dqd$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v5ajf$3vi$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbtj8PanEOgu9vdxGaIl9mOoPvs9rT1vv1qH8J5/bmD3EmUlEIBxEk4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2002 14:52:25 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:15500 alt.folklore.computers:79720 I was able to spend some time yesterday on those boxes. Here's what I found. Apparently, sometimes writers would give me a complimentary copy of the manuals I typed in. Following is a list of a couple of them. decsystem10 system40 users guide You know how old that is because of the lack of capital letters and dashes. System 40 used to be the name of the in-house timesharing system and group. (This was before the KA CPU #40 was transferred to the PDP-10 development group. The system resided in 5-B (Building 5, the basement) which was one of the spookiest walks of the Mill; I did that walk just about every day. This document was aimed at PDP-11 programming types who weren't used to doing their work on-line. It has keyboard layout diagrams and one section tells them what to do if the system crashes and there's no operator :-)))). I'd forgotten such things happened; I must be completely PC'ed these days. The cover says: pdp11 PIP, File Utility Package, programmer's manual The cover page says; PDP-11 FILE UTILITY PACKAGE (PIP) FOR THE DISK OPERATING SYSTEM Part #: DEC-11-PIDB-D It has a closeup, but incomplete picture of some flavor of PDP-11 (purple) front panel. The copyright date is 1971. And by gosh, by golly, it gives a list of the PDP-11 Disk Operating System software. The first item is DOS Monitor. pipc users manual white cover with black printing and OS/8 printing date is 1973 Part #: DEC-S8-OPIPB-A-D The c in pipc is for cassettes. The intro recommends the document CASSETTE PROGRAMMING SYSTEM USER'S MANUAL. It also mentions the CAPS-8 system. So that's two OSes on the PDP-8: OS/8 and CAPS-8. project leader's notebook This has no part number as it was an internal DEC document. The date is September 1972 and is probably the first stab at creating the Project Notebook that was used to guide project planning from inception to ship. Dave Stone was the guy behind this notebook creation. Just before he died he gave a talk to high level managers and consultants informing them that the underlying goal of the notebeook was to delay product ships. And nobody asked him why that was a goal. One of the examples included in this manual is the "Project Plan For The Multi-User Option for DOS-11" I don't know if this stuff is even of interest to the computing biz history. There's another item of real interest here but I'll separate that one out into another post. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article: 16343 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-159 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: Tue, 26 Feb 02 12:11:15 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <9u0b4u$bb4$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ud33k$p76$5@bob.news.rcn.net> <9ulats$a43$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <4otnu9.682.ln@teabag.cbhnet> <9unvmv$4ca$4@bob.news.rcn.net> <9uvtc5$5n3$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3C1355B4.2C7F6772@trailing-edge.com> <9v25i9$a73$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v56r7$dqd$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v5ajf$3vi$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb4Rc3YQT4H7J9qaHS+alufnnDlhuodYoypf31TZPAyDhd/m0ZWN86m X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2002 14:27:09 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16343 alt.folklore.computers:82880 I worked on my boxes some more yesterday. [extremely awed emoticon] I have a lewiney. I also found a yellow phone book. I don't know what to do with this. It's not going to given away on a FCFS basis but I don't have a criteria of who should get it. I found three redentions of my calling cards. Are these of any interest? What do you guys do with your old ones? I also found a 1980 Datamation that had Alan Wilson's paper on TOPS-10 SMP in it. I don't know if this magazine is of any interest. There's more. But I'll talk about it later. Note that nobody has said anything about the document lists that I've posted twice. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article: 16348 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-31 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: Wed, 27 Feb 02 08:16:17 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <9v25i9$a73$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v56r7$dqd$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <9v5ajf$3vi$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <3c7befc3_2@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZxV7O6YRQ8GSrIWD5gcebFRQJyj8IOsg3Ethhu8sOuP7ICwi5YKysn X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2002 10:32:21 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16348 alt.folklore.computers:82951 In article <3c7befc3_2@news.iglou.com>, "Douglas H. Quebbeman" wrote: > wrote in message news:a5g5vt$qep$1@bob.news.rcn.net... >> I worked on my boxes some more yesterday. >> >> [extremely awed emoticon] I have a lewiney. > >Ok, while I know about the yellow phone book, this >one's a mystery... Oh, sorry. Don Lewine had a nervous habit of taking a piece of wire and winding it into a coil. One could always tell when he'd been around because he usually left them behind. One day we found one in the back room of the Marketing machine and couldn't figure out why he had been there. The wire would always have a coil at the bottom (I'm having trouble describing this) with an end sticking up. Then somebody would add a triangular shaped piece of paper and stick that on top of the protruding wire end. > >> I also found a yellow phone book. I don't know what to do >> with this. It's not going to given away on a FCFS basis >> but I don't have a criteria of who should get it. > >I vote it go to the person most likely to get it scanned >and online, if voting's in the forecast... This hasn't been scanned? I've also got the next edition of the phone book (but it was blue and white) so it was no longer called a phone book. > >> There's more. But I'll talk about it later. >> >> Note that nobody has said anything about the document lists >> that I've posted twice. > >We're in awe! Awe doesn't get the stuff distributed ;-). I am not looking forward to working on the one box that has my files in it. I have no idea what might be important or of interest. In my mind, everything is of interest, but that's because of the associated memories :-). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article: 16351 of alt.sys.pdp10 From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: 27 Feb 2002 09:18:52 -0800 Organization: Spies In The Wire Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: spies.com X-Trace: 27 Feb 2002 09:19:50 -0800, spies.com Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!lon1-news.nildram.net!news.gradwell.net!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!localhost!not-for-mail Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16351 alt.folklore.computers:82990 From article <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net>, by shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix): > I was interested, but I was expecting some discussion of the best > formats to convert these into. > 1 bit per pixel 400bpi Group 4 FAX compressed TIFFs are a good place to start. > I'd like to just have them as part of my collection, but I thought the > idea was to convert them to an electronic format. I suggested something > like SGML, nroff, or TeX but never got a response. Probably because no one would have enough time to do it. Article: 16387 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!feed.cgocable.net!newsfeed-tor.nnrp.ca!newsfeed-tor.nnrp.ca!teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!66.185.86.143.MISMATCH!news03.bloor.is!news1.bloor.is.POSTED!12dc6cf53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Don Chiasson" Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers References: <1by9hcl3eq.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu> Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:48:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.43.220.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rogers.com X-Trace: news1.bloor.is 1015030130 24.43.220.117 (Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:48:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:48:50 EST Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16387 alt.folklore.computers:83190 "Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message news:1by9hcl3eq.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu... > jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > > > > Isn't it a matter of mapping a defined colored pixel pattern to > > an ASCII code? <> > The upshot is that, on good clean text a good OCR system can get > something like 99% accuracy -- which means one letter out of every > hundred is wrong. Looking at old listings, it's going to be worse. > And if you *really* want to preserve exactly the original information, > OCR systems will tend to make mistakes like fixing some of the > original typos while introducing new ones of their own... I recently had to run a ten year old program for which the source files were lost, only the listings from a report were available. I scanned in thirty five pages of program, but it took nearly two months to get it going. This was FORTRAN where variables do not have to be declared, so misspelled variables were simply accepted. (Inserting IMPLICIT NONE helped a lot.) Most common errors were confusion between 1) zero, and oh; and 2) one, lower case ell, and upper case eye. Single quote marks often disappeared (or appeared). Spacing was inexact. Not the same as simple text, but much work. Don e-mail: it's not not, it's hot. Article: 16395 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0901.news.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C808F91.ED30479@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:38:41 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1015076322 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 8684 63.73.218.130 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16395 alt.folklore.computers:83216 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Try it. I understand that Tim has the doc tape that was distributed > (FINALLY!). They should have the original *.RNO sources. They > might have been called *.RNM (M for manual). Actually, it's been in the archive for at least a year :-). The latest doc tape is Documentation Update Files for TOPS-10 V7.04 DOCC 30-Nov-1990 It has the following as *.MEM (line-printer-formatted) documents: TOPS-10 Crash Analysis Guide (15-Nov-90) TOPS-10 Operating Systems Commands Manual (13-Nov-90) TOPS-10 DDT Manual (15-Nov-90) TOPS-10 Monitor Calls Manual (2 vols) (23-Jul-90) TOPS-10 Monitor Tables Description (August 89) TOPS-10 Operator's Command Language Reference Manual (Sep-90) TOPS-10 Operator's Guide (Sep-90) TOPS-10 Software Installation Guide (Dec-90) TOPS-10 Stopcode Specification (Jun-90) TOPS-10/TOPS-20 Software Update User's Guide (Feb-90) TOPS-10 User Utilities Manual (Dec-90) All up for browsing (your choice of "with line-printer to HTML" or "without-line-printer to HTML") at http://test-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html Now *some* earlier versions of these manuals are available as *.RNO's on other tapes in the archives. While I agree that it would be good to have everything as *.RNO too, I'm quite happy that these documents are available in any format. Tim. Article: 16398 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C809AC7.5FABB61F@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:26:31 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> <3C808F91.ED30479@trailing-edge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1015079192 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 8684 63.73.218.130 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16398 alt.folklore.computers:83220 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > It occurred to me that I didn't give a general file spec that > would capture most of the RUNOFF source files. *.RN? should > get everything. There are 919 files in the archive matching *.RN? (and presumably mostly runoff source), and 416 matching *.MEM (presumably line-printer docs.) There are 1968 *.DOC's (again, mostly line-printer docs.) One of the archive features currently under development is search-by-filename-with-wildcards-and-return-result-sorted-by-date. Implemented with BerkeleyDB under Perl, of course :-). Tim. Article: 16396 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!dfw-peer!news.verio.net!newspump.sol.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C80903D.49CBF5BE@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:41:33 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> <3C808F91.ED30479@trailing-edge.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1015076494 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 8684 63.73.218.130 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16396 alt.folklore.computers:83217 Tim Shoppa wrote: > All up for browsing (your choice of "with line-printer to HTML" > or "without-line-printer to HTML") at > > http://test-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html Whoops - remove the "test-" from the hostname to get the official archive site. The "test-" prefix takes you to my experimental site, which in this case happens to be pretty close to the official site, but is likely to change radically on my slightest whim as I play with new indexing methods. So the real, unlikely to disappear or change soon URL is http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html Tim. Article: 16413 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-165 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: Sun, 03 Mar 02 09:23:25 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> <3C808F91.ED30479@trailing-edge.com> <3C817830.54779C24@ev1.net> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYAIOuB2ShpT+MsCCZBJMbo8KTq60QNxI384ejZzLCnKKHMFOx5PTvS X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2002 11:40:11 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16413 alt.folklore.computers:83239 In article <3C817830.54779C24@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond wrote: >Tim Shoppa wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...] >> >> Now *some* earlier versions of these manuals are available as >> *.RNO's on other tapes in the archives. While I agree that it >> would be good to have everything as *.RNO too, I'm quite happy that >> these documents are available in any format. >> >Is there a print "filter" available to take the RUNOFF printer >output and convert it to Acrobat (.pdf) files??? If so, this >might work better for many people. I can handle Acrobat format, >but I have *no* way to format RUNOFF or groff documents. > Heh. I got a strange burst of energy yesterday, took a TOPS-20 commands card, and a TeX manual (from a very nice man who went shopping for me) and tried to figure out what kinds of TECO macroes would be needed to convert a RUNOFF format to a TeX format. I was reminded why I hated Knuth's work; it is very clear that he's a compiler thinker with delusions of professorism. I'm also too used to the way WE documented our stuff. We did not play fucking guessing games with the reader. Anyway. I can (sort of) reproduce some of these cards using RUNOFF (but not any of the system reference cards can be done), but I can't do the art work with it. It was a very nice review of all the frustrations I experienced when I was doing all of that DOC preparation work; RUNOFF did tie my thumbs to the bottom of the keyboard. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. Article: 16422 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!bilbo!not-for-mail From: alan.nospam@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk (Alan J. Wylie) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Unpacking my 15-year old office boxes generates memory refreshes Date: 03 Mar 2002 19:51:26 +0000 Organization: very little Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <0b1j5a.tv2.ln@escape.shannon.net> <3C808F91.ED30479@trailing-edge.com> <3C817830.54779C24@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1027.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1015185423 26579 217.135.228.3 (3 Mar 2002 19:57:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2002 19:57:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Xref: dfw-artgen alt.sys.pdp10:16422 alt.folklore.computers:83248 On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:11:10 GMT, Charles Richmond said: > Is there a print "filter" available to take the RUNOFF printer > output and convert it to Acrobat (.pdf) files??? If so, this might > work better for many people. I can handle Acrobat format, but I have > *no* way to format RUNOFF or groff documents. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/TeX/support/rnototex/ Might be a start. Written in VAX Pascal. It's a long time since I used it, but IIRC it worked OK for me (though I did have access to VAXEN in those days). -- Alan J. Wylie http://www.glaramara.freeserve.co.uk/ "Perfection [in design] is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but rather when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Article: 15286 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: PDP-10 Algol manual online Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.19 (i686)) Lines: 13 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:07:36 EST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:07:36 GMT Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:15286 Thanks to the efforts of Ronald Tatum working from a very bad copy, the PDP-10 ALGOL Programmer's Reference Manual from the late 60's or early 70's is now online at the PDP-10 Emulation Webpage. http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html It is in seven parts with a errata page where Ronald Tatum did his best to figure out what some of the 'smudges' on his copy said. Unfortunatly apparently whoever copied this back around '74 or earlier didn't consider the page that would have dated the manual worth copying. Zane Article: 16003 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newstransit.mitre.org!news.tufts.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: Wilber Williams Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 Subject: Re: PDP-10 Algol manual online Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:58:30 +1000 Organization: The University of Queensland Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3C607FB6.6588CB06@its.uq.edu.au> References: <3C4752C8.59C7E12A@bartek.dontspamme.net> <2CX18.1289$h31.320833@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com> <3C4EBAFD.D601C52D@its.uq.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: chook.cc.uq.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1012957245 10222 130.102.128.100 (6 Feb 2002 01:00:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 01:00:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:16003 ... First pass of the manual is available from - http://chook.cc.uq.edu.au/DEC-10-KRZB-D%20DECsystem10%20Mathematical%20Languages%20Handbook.pdf Wilber Wilber Williams wrote: > > I still have my "Mathematical Languages Handbook" here, with > Fortran4/Basic/Algol, I'll try and scan it in sometime soon. > > Wilber > > Calvin Miracle wrote: > > > > "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > > I'd say whatever can be found should be scanned! I for one would love to > > > see the BASIC booklet! > > > > I agree with Zane! Hell, I did my physics homework last semester > > in TOPS-10 Basic... Someday I hope to see the documentation for all > > the TOPS-10 programming languages fully restored (VAX as well, > > but I cannot mention that on this newsgroup). > > > > Peace. > > > > -- Calvin Miracle > > University of Louisville Libraries -- Wilber Associate Director, Networks And Design Services +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Wilber WILLIAMS w.williams@its.uq.edu.au | | Telephone : +61 7 3365 4232 | |ITS The University of Queensland Facsimile : +61 7 3365 7539 | |Brisbane Qld 4072 AUSTRALIA Mobile : +61 412 210 063 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Article: 15317 of alt.sys.pdp10 Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!spool0900.news.uu.net!reader0901.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C4A7DF8.2AEC4BD7@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:21:12 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.2 AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers Subject: PDP-10 Archive migration plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 76 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: 1011532885 reader1.ash.ops.us.uu.net 29227 63.73.218.130 Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net alt.sys.pdp10:15317 alt.folklore.computers:79140 As announced over a month ago, I am migrating the PDP-10 archive http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ from the large, heavy, power-hungry VMSCluster to a small, lightweight, and efficient linux PC. Ignore the relation to the VMS vs Unix vs PDP-10 thread that has been taking up so much space in this newsgroup. The main reason for this migration is nothing more than power efficiency - I can keep a little PC (drawing less than 50 Watts) up for hours on a cheap UPS, while keeping the older cluster up for more than a few minutes on a big UPS is a hassle. Not only will the webserver and files reside on a different machine, but there will also be a number of other changes: 1. No longer will *.TPC (DECUS TPC-style, blocks are preceded by 16- bit block length) tape archives be listed. The archive of tape images will be offered solely as as *.tap (emulator-style, blocks are preceded *and* followed by their 32-bit block length) images. Internally I will continue to use *.TPC tape archives for some purposes. But my impression is that the emulator community is much better served by the *.tap style images. If anyone disagrees with me, speak up! 2. The compression method for tape images will change as well: Instead of gzipped (*.tap.gz), they will now be compressed with bzip2 and filenames will be of the form *.tap.bz2. Bzip2 offers significantly better compression (10-20%) on these images, and it adds up when there are many thousands of megabytes of them. More bzip2 informattion is available at http://sources.redhat.com/bzip2/ 3. The extracted files will now be prepared using the "backup10" and "read20" programs, which I have been patching up over the past month to the point that I am very happy with their capabilities. My patched versions of these very useful tools will be made available shortly. 4. The web pages that index into the archives will be more CSS (style-sheet) oriented and less table-oriented. I aim to make the resulting pages easily viewed on both graphical *and* text-based browsers. At the same time, I will also be making use of server-side includes to make web site maintenance easier for me. (Read that as: if you point out an error on the home page, I hope to be able to fix it more quickly than the couple of months it now takes me to get around to it!) 5. A site search engine will allow searching of the extracted files quickly and efficiently. 6. An index of scanned and line-printer documents will eventually happen. Many of the above elements can be seen already at the "test site", http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ but not all the above elements have yet been combined (for example, as of Sunday morning the test site still uses tables extensively.) The actual switchover will occur early in the morning of 21-Jan-2002 EST. The old archive will remain up and going even after the switchover at http://old-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ for at least a few weeks, as I perfect the redirects and rewrites of URL's. Besides, if I shut the old cluster down at this time of year the basement would get too chilly :-). Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com)