Article 6347 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: Alan Greig Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: ALGOL and 1022 database Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:00:08 +0100 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 129 Message-ID: References: <3BC3CE89.5FACE6CF@bartek.dontspamme.net> <3BC49836.BEF76E24@bartek.dontspamme.net> <1vjastcqtciaedqoi6mu08fp95tq9o6fls@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-979.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6347 comp.os.vms:43143 I wrote: |Yes renamed 1032 on VMS and it is still around. One of the 1022/1032 |engineers monitors comp.os.vms (added a crosspost) so maybe they'll |spot this thread. | |I think I recall reading many years ago that 1022 was the serial |number of the KL-10 the database was originally developed on. Tym Stegner of cca did pick up on this thread over in c.o.v. but did not cross-post back to a.s.p (as he reads by mail I'll take the liberty of cross-posting back). Here's a couple of Tym's comments. Jump over to c.o.v. (if you are reading this is a.s.p) for the actual posts. From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.com Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: ALGOL and 1022 database Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:33:09 -0400 Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List Lines: 49 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Path: spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-vax Xref: spln comp.os.vms:190396 |Alan Greig (& others) wrote: |> |>> BTW, what IS 1022? |> |>Well, my mind is feeling a little foggy today, but IIRC, it's a database |>that started on the PDP-10 and was later ported to the VAX and Alpha (for |>OpenVMS). I believe it's still around. Or to put it another way it's | |Yes renamed 1032 on VMS and it is still around. One of the 1022/1032 |engineers monitors comp.os.vms (added a crosspost) so maybe they'll |spot this thread. | |I think I recall reading many years ago that 1022 was the serial |number of the KL-10 the database was originally developed on. From the System 1022 User's Guide: "System 1022 is general purpose data management software system that operates on DECsystem-10 and DECSYSTEM-20 computers. [And now on whatever hardware emulates those OS's -TJS] It is easy to use interactively and in sophisticated application programs. It is a tool that brings data base management to those who use the data, yet satisfies the needs of professional managers and application system designers. Related data sets are easily linked for combined management and reporting of information. System 1022 creates and updates large (and small) data collections. A very fast retreival capability gives immediate access to data in the largest collections of records. A comprehensive report writer displays this data with any level of formatting and analysis." A companion product from the same vendor, Software House (formerly of Cambridge, MA, USA); System 1032, was engineered from the ground up to provide System 1022-like features on the newly introduced VAX/VMS operating system. The *ACTUAL* origin of the System 1022/System 1032 product names are lost in the mists of time. At least, *I've* never been able to get a clear story from the original engineers. Although, the above story is the most plausible i've come across... -Tym Stegner System 1032 Support -Insert usual, broad, disclaimer here- And From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.com Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: re: ALGOL and 1022 database Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:36:37 -0400 Organization: Info-VAX<==>comp.os.vms Gateway X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List Lines: 20 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Path: spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news.kjsl.com!mvb.saic.com!info-vax Xref: spln comp.os.vms:190397 |Larry Kilgallen (& others) wrote: | |In article <1vjastcqtciaedqoi6mu08fp95tq9o6fls@4ax.com>, Alan Greig |writes: | |> I think I recall reading many years ago that 1022 was the serial |> number of the KL-10 the database was originally developed on. | |Whereas I believe it means the software ran on (PDP-)10s and (PDP-)20s |too (2). 1022. This was the commonly accepted rational for the System 1022 name. Any of the System 1022 developers would instantly gainsay it (though a better rational was not provided). -Tym Stegner -- Alan Article 6421 of alt.sys.pdp10: Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,comp.os.vms Path: nntp1.ba.best.com!news1.best.com!news.dra.com!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!world!news From: P Duff Subject: Re: ALGOL and 1022 database Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: <3BD40BEF.E3BBE416@duff-family.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:07:11 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <3BC3CE89.5FACE6CF@bartek.dontspamme.net> <3BC49836.BEF76E24@bartek.dontspamme.net> <1vjastcqtciaedqoi6mu08fp95tq9o6fls@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0b014.std.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) Organization: MicroCephalic Endeavors Lines: 31 Xref: nntp1.ba.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6421 comp.os.vms:43744 Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > In article <1vjastcqtciaedqoi6mu08fp95tq9o6fls@4ax.com>, Alan Greig > writes: > > > I think I recall reading many years ago that 1022 was the serial > > number of the KL-10 the database was originally developed on. > > Whereas I believe it means the software ran on (PDP-)10s and (PDP-)20s > too (2). 1022. I don't monitor this group at all, in fact, I didn't know that it existed until a former 1022 co-worker pointed it out to me yesterday. Pursuant to this message and to the thread at large, a common guess that the name is borne of 10s and 20s, is undone by the fact that when 1022 was developed there were no DEC20s, only 10s. :( I worked w/ SH co-founders Andy Garland and Charlie Houseman for about 10 years. Although I asked them and other co-workers, AFAIK they never revealed the source of the name. Re: expiration date, it's not entirely straightforward to defeat the date checking mechanism in that version, since the date is checked in several stages, at different places in the code, some of which happened at random times. If memory serves, there was one customer whose license required a copy that never expired, for whom I was directed to write a patch to JFCL out the expiration checks. No, I didn't keep a copy of the patch, so don't ask. P Duff