Article 6400 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B10175.D560886A@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: write rings References: <38AB2C53.E3F70B35@kilonet.net> <20000219084101.14768.00000423@ng-fh1.aol.com> <38afb528$0$216@nntp1.ba.best.com> <88ojbi$1es$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <88q31b$13vm$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <38B0FDCE.53FA68D3@netinsight.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 140 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:12:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 951124341 194.16.221.2 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:21 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:21 MET Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6400 alt.folklore.computers:150972 alt.sys.pdp11:6532 Argh. Hate modern news readers... Let's see it I can get the file in here this time... --------------------- From alt.folklore.computers Thu Sep 8 19:00:47 1994 Path: Krille.Update.UU.SE!columba.udac.uu.se!sunic!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!jac.zko.dec.com!math.zk3.dec.com!edp From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) Newsgroups: alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: "Always mount a scratch Harry" Date: 7 Sep 1994 18:20:56 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 93 Distribution: world Message-ID: <34l0a8$frq@jac.zko.dec.com> References: <33tq9h$5t2@tequesta.gate.net> <34b8o5$j0t@clarknet.clark.net> Reply-To: edp@mv.com NNTP-Posting-Host: math.zk3.dec.com Xref: Krille.Update.UU.SE alt.fan.dave_barry:3704 alt.folklore.computers:14491 In article , cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) writes: >This seems like a good time for someone to tell the "Scratch Monkey" >story. I know it, but I'm sure somebody else could tell it better >than I could. Any volunteers? <<< NOVA::NOTES_DISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WAR_STORY.NOTE;1 >>> -< Computer War Stories >- ================================================================================= Note 47.18 Scratch Monkeys 18 of 21 RUSURE::EDP "Always mount a scratch monkey." 61 lines 11-FEB-1993 14:14 -< Authenticated Scratch Monkey Story >- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This morning, I spoke for an hour with Laura Creighton, who wrote the device driver for the equipment between the monkeys and the computer. This incident happened at the University of Toronto in late November of 1979 or 1980. The zoology department had used digital-to-analog and analog-to-digital converters in a large number of experiments, including attempting to synthesize pheromones to reduce breeding of beetles that fed on tobacco crops, some rat neurological experiments, and some cricket behavior/population studies. The rat experiments involved implanting electrodes in the rats' brains, and the rats experienced some pain. The Humane Society learned of this and raised complaints, resulting in the shutting down of the zoology department for a day while the experiment was stopped. The University of Toronto has the third or fourth most respected zoology department in the world and wanted to maintain that prestige, so there was lots of screaming to avoid having such a thing happening again. The various data from the experiments was collected by PDP-11/05 front ends and sent to an 11/44. Laura Creighton had written the software for this, fixing a problem they had previously with the 11/44 not being fast enough to collect the data by itself. This was being done for 16 to 18 experiments. The folks in the physiology section of the Department of Medicine (separate from Science, which contained the zoology department) had bought their first VAX, an 11/780, and wanted a similar set-up. So Laura Creighton and the zoology department agreed to set up their software for this. The physiology people decided not to use 11/05s in between, since the VAX was fast enough to handle the data. So five monkeys were fitted with caps intended to sense brain waves, and the caps were attached to various A-to-D and D-to-A converters (which were US Army surplus from 1956) which were in turn connected to the VAX. This connection was piggybacked on a disk drive (pre-RL02), which contained a disk and was mounted read-only -- the read-only button was pressed and taped over with a warning not to remove it. In normal operation, software would read data from that drive and write it to a regular disk. The room containing the monkeys was several stories removed from the computer room. After some time, the VAX crashed. It was on a service contract, and Digital was called. Laura Creighton was not called although she was on the short list of people who were supposed to be called in case of problem. The Digital Field Service engineer came in, removed the disk from the drive, figured it was then okay to remove the tape and make the drive writable, and proceeded to run diagnostics which wrote to that drive. Two of the monkeys were stunned, and three died. The Digital engineer needed to be calmed down; he was going to call the Humane Society. This became known as the Great Dead Monkey Project, and it leads of course to the aphorism I use as my motto: "Always mount a scratch monkey." Laura Creighton points out that although this is told as a gruesomely amusing story, three monkeys did lose their lives, and there are lessons to be learned in treatment of animals and risk management. Particularly, the sign on the disk drive should have explained why the drive should never have been enabled for write access. -- edp --------------------------------------------------------- -- edp (Eric Postpischil) "Always mount a scratch monkey." edp@mv.com Disclaimer: The opinions of Digital Equipment Corporation do not reflect mine. Public key fingerprint: 8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86 32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75. To get PGP, FTP /pub/unix/security/crypt/pgp23A.zip from ftp.funet.fi. -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net Article 6397 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38B0FDCE.53FA68D3@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: write rings References: <38AB2C53.E3F70B35@kilonet.net> <20000219084101.14768.00000423@ng-fh1.aol.com> <38afb528$0$216@nntp1.ba.best.com> <88ojbi$1es$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <88q31b$13vm$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 30 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:56:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.2 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 951123406 194.16.221.2 (Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:56:46 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:56:46 MET Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6397 alt.folklore.computers:150971 alt.sys.pdp11:6531 Peter da Silva wrote: > > In article <88ojbi$1es$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >> "Always mount a scratch monkey." > > >I never have figured out what this was supposed to mean :-). > > It's about Mabel. > > http://www.acme.com/jef/netgems/scratch_monkey.html > That was a very truncated and incorrect version. It don't even explain where the "mount" came into this. Oh well... Funny, how stories get twisted with time. This story was posted to a.f.c in 1994... Fortunately I have the correct version lying around... Here it goes.... --------------------------------------- -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net Article 6402 of alt.sys.pdp10: Path: news3.best.com!news2.best.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dQ!netscum.int!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news-proxy.baileynm.com!citadel.in.taronga.com!not-for-mail From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: write rings Date: 21 Feb 2000 13:41:32 GMT Organization: TSS Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <88rfac$23go$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> References: <38AB2C53.E3F70B35@kilonet.net> <88q31b$13vm$1@citadel.in.taronga.com> <38B0FDCE.53FA68D3@netinsight.se> <38B10175.D560886A@netinsight.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: citadel.in.taronga.com X-Trace: citadel.in.taronga.com 951140492 69144 10.0.0.43 (21 Feb 2000 13:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@taronga.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Feb 2000 13:41:32 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Xref: news3.best.com alt.sys.pdp10:6402 alt.folklore.computers:150979 alt.sys.pdp11:6534 Thanks. I've seen several versions of the story, but they have always been about "Mabel the swimming monkey" and they've always started with "YOU KILLED MABEL" and ended with "Can you swim?". The reason why PMing the machine (when it's named it's always been a PDP-11, not a VAX, by the way) killed the monkey varies quite a bit. -- This is The Reverend Peter da Silva's Boring Sig File - there are no references to Wolves, Kibo, Discordianism, or The Church of the Subgenius in this document Executive Vice President, Corporate Communications, Entropy Gradient Reversals.